Hmm I think this is boiling down to a bit of semantics and how you exactly define it. If I go to a bar with my hot female friends I get tons more AIs that if I go with my male buddies. Sure, if I don’t do anything about it then the AIs will die down over time (except for new girls entering the venue). But either way simply having hot girls with you gets you more interest than not, therefore scientifically proving that social proof is a contributory factor!

It won’t get you laid (you’ll still have to open… duh!) but is sure as dandy helps!

– comment by charliereay on “Opening and Social Proof Versus Player in the Game” post

I am surprised I didn’t get more of these types of comments. When I published the post I expected to get a lot more of these types than the all out positive ones.

Let me start by saying this… I’m not saying Social Proof isn’t “right” or is “wrong.” What I’m saying is that it is INCOMPLETE. I’m pointing out that it leaves A LOT more unexplained than explained.

I discussed quite a few things that it left unexplained in the last post. There is a higher level dynamic at work when attracting, approaching and seducing women that better explains what is going on and that is the player in the game concept.

One GREAT way to know if you have found a better organizing principle is if you experience a surge in motivation to act or a desire to do things differently. Two or 3 commenters noted they felt more pumped to approach women. The reason is because when they adopted this idea it caused a spontaneous release of competing and inefficient ideas leaving more energy and attention available for action. And/or it stabilized a lot of floating thoughts thus lessening confusion (and confusion causes fear and apprehension.)

I’ll show you how it better explains common field phenomena and then I’ll show you how it ALSO explains Sexual Framing.

Social Proof

• Covered in previous post.

Peacocking

• Someone who is peacocking but not opening is a tool. Why? Socially we know, and women know, that Peacocking is something you do when you are Playing the Game. A dude who is Peacocked and not opening is socially weird. Likewise, people with low game awareness call scantily clad women in the club “sluts” not realizing this is what women do to invite the real Players to open. Saying that women open guys who are peacocked because they realize the men are Players in the Game is a leap… but, it is a very small leap. It might be better explained by saying that women can use it to show everyone THEY are playing the Game thus, getting her opened more without making it too obvious.

Pre-Selection

• I covered this a bit in the last post. Pre-Selection is a VERY valid and observable phenom. But, again this only applies to Players in the Game. When they realize you aren’t in the Game their awareness is no longer on you and all invitations and attention shift to find Players.

Jealousy Threads

• Again, you have to be a Player in the Game and have her attracted for a Jealousy Thread to exist. J-Threads are incredibly powerful. They are so powerful BECAUSE the Game has a limited time span (a Game Obstacle) and a limited number of Players (another Game Obstacle). Her desire to win compels her to focus more energy on a proven quantity as does her desire to IMPROVE against competition. (The competition is other females, not the males.) Add to that the fact that she WAS on her way to Winning and you’ve got a deep sense of loss and self-doubt creeping in. The idea that other females could be BETTER was theoretical, now it is all too real. She will do ALMOST anything to beat the competitor.

Disqualifiers

• There are two valid players. It looks like they are headed to winning… but, now one of them seems to be questioning whether or not the other is a Player… the chances of winning drop causing fear and increasing desire to get back in the Game.

DHVs

• I’m skeptical about the real use of DHVs EXCEPT when you are talking to a girl to whom that shit is important AND her logical mind is engaged. She can use that stuff to talk herself into liking you or giving you more time/chances.

Ok, “Player in the Game” refines those a bit without colliding and give us a better understanding.

We KNOW Mystery Method works AND it works very very well for what it is designed to do… Those items listed above are given as the reason MM works… But, what then explains the massive success of Sexual Framing which isn’t built on any of those?

Sexual Framing doesn’t use Jealousy-Threads, Pre-Selection, Demonstrations of Higher Value (DHVs), Merging, Pawning or Social Proof except as a consequence when a set unravels and you have to open a new one.

In fact, Sexual Framing VIOLATES many common MM principles.

Can the “Player in the Game” concept describe it? Yes! Wonderfully!

A Game is made up of Spectators, Players, Winners, Obstacles and Goals.

I’m not using Obstacles in the MM definition here. Although her friends COULD be Obstacles they aren’t by default. They are only Obstacles when they don’t KNOW that you and her friend have AGREED to play the game together.

Approaching, attracting and seducing women is often called The Game.

All Games are Based on Agreement.

Game Dynamic 1: You and her must agree you are both Players. Naturally, this is you making a smooth open, hooking the set and her entering communication with you. If you can’t get agreement on this you don’t have a Game.

Game Dynamic 2: You and her must agree you are both playing the same Game TOGETHER. By opening Sexual Frames you are telling her what Game you are playing. As she continues talking with you and playing along she is AGREEING that this is a male-female conversation with a sexual dynamic. If you can’t get agreement on this you don’t have a Game.

Game Dynamic 3: You must show her that you VALUE her Game Goal. By being non-judgmental and telling her you LOVE how sexy she is, etc you are showing her this. If you can’t get agreement on this you don’t have a Game.

Game Dynamic 4: You must demonstrate that you can carry her through the Obstacles… first by handling them in her mind, then in the immediate environment then over time. This can be done explicitly by getting the group to like you… getting her so into you that she does it and/or using an Inoculation Routine like I mentioned in “FR: College Girls!” Then, by baby-stepping her along ever so gently she’ll know/feel that she is having all the good feelings and none of the bad (like she usually does), she gets even more comfortable and puts more trust in you. If you can’t get agreement on this you don’t have a Game.

Also, you can look for her to show you the same! For example, when I ask her “You’re not the jealous type… are you?” and then tell a story about how I was “hanging out” (code for fucking) a girl and she got jealous and I didn’t approve I’m beginning to define what Game we are playing and putting in question her agreement on Dynamic 2. She has to alleviate my concerns by agreeing with me that jealousy sucks.

The Most Evil of All Evils

What about LMR? Can this even shed some light on LMR?

Yes!

LMR is primarily an unclear agreement about whether or not you are both playing the same Game (unclear Game Dynamic 2). It can also be that you haven’t shown her that you value her Game Goal (unclear on Game Dynamic 3).

If she is playing “Potential GF Game” and you are playing ONS game and she THINKS you are playing “Potential GF Game” but isn’t exactly sure due to mixed communication signals then… BAM! LMR. You’d have to have told her that your game works like this “Primarily Sexual and then possible grow into GF over time” in order to avoid it.

On the flipside, If you WERE playing to get a GF and she was CONVINCED you were…

…and she WAS playing that Game too…

…and she believed that giving it up wouldn’t destroy that Game (clear on Game Dynamic 3), then…

…she’d have no issue having sex with you the first night.

This is why so many of the PUAs trained in “social” forms of Pick-up have such a hard time getting laid.

They broadcast “social, fun guy — potential fun bf” on Game Dynamic 2 and then wonder why it takes forever to lay her… furthermore, they never make it clear that they VALUE sexuality so she has to be double certain it won’t fuck up that Game before having sex. They have methodically built tons of agreement on a DIFFERENT GAME (fun, cool, social bf) and wonder why the Game Goal of a DIFFERENT GAME isn’t happening.

Those Silly PUAs.

Captain Jack

P.S. Knowing what you know now about The Game Dynamics you should be able to pinpoint on WHICH Dynamic any busted set failed on. All “no-gos” are failure on Game Dynamic 1. All sets that unravel come from failures on Game Dynamic 4, etc. What would you do with said information? Why you’d examine your Game Plan and look for deficiencies in your common routines/stacks/ideas/beliefs in that area, shore it up, set up experiments/solutions and get your ass back in the Field!

P.P.S. Disqualifiers work because they threaten agreement on Game Dynamic 1. See that? If there isn’t agreement on all the Game Dynamics, there is NO GAME, thus no chance of winning. Jealousy Thread threatens Game Dynamic 2.

More on “The Game Dynamics”

Opening and Social Proof versus “Player in the Game”
Game Dynamics and Player in the Game = Elegance
Player States of Existence and Nested Games

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Related posts:

1. Opening and Social Proof versus “Player in the Game”
2. Approaching Women Direct With The Game Dynamics
3. Player States of Existence and Nested Games

We spent a lot of time reminiscing about girls we made sweet love to, 2-sets that we cold-approached and handled like seduction Ninjas, sets that blew up in ridiculous ways. Nights of drunken Tomfoolery in distant cities and so forth.

The biggest injustice during this whole time period was that we didn’t have a third party chronicling these adventures. That sucks.

I remember one night Sinn opened this absolutely hot brunette girl with big knockers and her cute enough little friend.

Now, at this time there was ALSO a girl I had number closed a few days earlier who was at the bar. Sort of a dilemna because I need to wing. There’s a lot of shit to keep track of… I need to wing but do it in a way I don’t fuck up my lay with the Wisconsin girl. On the flip side, I can’t torpedo this 2set and fuck up Sinn’s chances with the hottie.

At one point, Sinn and his hottie have wondered off a bit and I’m actually talking to BOTH the girls (the obstacle and my previous number closee).

I look across the bar and Sinn’s Hottie has this concerned look on her face. I look at Sinn and he just doesn’t look right. He is wavering a bit and twitches awkwardly every 10-15 seconds.

I’m thinking, “Oh shit, what’s happening? Somebody has spiked his drink and it’s fucking with his nervous system.” I get a little scared, put my beer down and begin to walk over.

“Stay calm, get him some water, see what he is feeling,” I tell myself in an effort to calm my nerves. I have visions of my friend being put in an ambulance and driven to a hospital with IVs and shit stuck in his arm.

I’m pushing my way through the mass of people and as I’m about half way there, he dips his right shoulder and then snaps his fingers. Hmm, that’s weird. Maybe he’s trying to play it off. I take a few more steps and he then dips his left shoulder and snaps his fingers again.

Then, it hits me…

Sinn isn’t having an adverse drug reaction or suffering
from a rare spinal cord disorder. He’s Dancing!!!

Can you imagine my relief?

Then, I started to chuckle. Everything was going to be alright. That night we pulled the two-set and laid them. A few days later I got the Wisconsin girl. (LR: The Acrobatic Monkey and LR:www-horny-wisconsin-girls-com).

Now, you probably think this post is ONLY about me reminiscing about our adventures and making fun of one of my friends, don’t you?

You don’t think dear Ol’ Captain Jack is going to be able to pull a nice pick-up lesson out of this little story do you?

O Ye of Little Faith!

When I thought Sinn was suffering from a Neurotransmitter Deficiency on the dance floor and I was walking towards him, what types of behaviors, scenarios and possibilities was I thinking about?

• Getting him some water
• Calling an ambulance
• Getting him to sit down and asking about his experience so I could later relate it to the Paramedics
• Picturing Him in the hospital with IVs and such
• Collecting his drink for lab analysis and the fingerprints of the Perp

But, once it hit me that he was “dancing,” what types of behaviors, scenarios and possibilities was I imagining then?

• Pointing and laughing
• Challenging him to a dance-off to boost my club cred
• Taking video for future black-mail possibilities
• Pretending like I didn’t know him and quietly exiting the back way with the Wisconsin girl
• Teasing him mercilessly to make myself feel better

Aren’t those all VASTLY different from the previous?

Let’s bring this home…

Let’s imagine a common pick-up artist talking to a hottie. (Not any of my readers, of course.) He’s talking to the hottie who has herself all dolled up complete with mini-skirt and push-up bra and he’s telling her all these stories that demonstrate he has high value and that he’s a social guy, blah, blah, blah…

In other words, he’s royally boring the shit out of her.

But, let’s say he stumbled on “The Greatest Pick-up Blog On the Entire Internet”* and he picked up a little sumpthin’-sumpthin’ about Framing and in the midst of utterly boring her he lobs this gem into the convo,

“So, what’s on the Agenda for later?”

Simple question, right?

NO!!! Not at all, my fellow pirate**.

That question is MAGIC!

(I wish I could take credit for it but I learned it from Brent of Absolute Power Dating.)

Why is it Magic? Because, NOW you’ve alluded to the possibility of seeing her LATER… she is pretty likely to assume you are leading towards something like an after-party or you and her doing something later at night, when the club is closed… And, if we’re honest with ourselves, we all know what happens when the club closes, don’t we?

Boys and Girls Do Naughty Things to Each Other in Private!

Which is something she could be interested in.

That question makes her reframe all the other shit you said previously as having Probable Sexual Intent!!!

Now, what behaviors, scenarios and possibilities are opening up in HER mind?!

Do you get it? Do you see it!

Fuck man, if you don’t see it I think you should consider the priesthood or something.

Whatever.

Love,
The One and Only Captain Jack

* The Blog you are now reading
** “Pirate” in the sense of someone who enjoys adventures, tasty alcoholic beverages, gold and wenches. Not one who steals shit.

P.S. Would you like to hear more of my thoughts and ideas on Game? There is only so much I can do in writing. Especially in a blog because it is difficult to really flesh out, develop and expound ideas in such a small space. But, with an hour of talking or 8-12 pages of writing I could do A LOT.

Here’s the plan… I am going to do a monthly conference call. Each call will last 90 minutes. The first sixty of those minutes will be me discussing, dissecting and really fleshing out how you can make this whole Gaming thing easier, funner and more effective. It’s pretty safe to say that no one has the same perspective and ideas about this stuff as I do.

The last 30 minutes of the call I’ll answer questions and berate people for not getting it (just kidding about the berating).

I’ve thought about charging monthly for this but I’ve decided not to. It’s a one-time payment for the full year. That’s 12 calls for a total of 18 hours. The price I’ve settled on makes the cost $16.39 per hour. That comes out to $295.00 for the year.

The calls will be recorded and transcribed in case you miss them, or you’re in Europe, Asia or Africa where the calls will likely be at an inconvenient time.

You can sign up by pushing the button below.

A few days after you sign up I’ll send you the schedule. You’ll have 30 days AFTER the first call to decide if you want to keep going. If not, then I’ll send you a refund. No questions asked, no big deal.

P.P.S. I took a few liberties with this post for educational purposes… Sinn was actually dancing with the girl because I told her that he loved to dance with girls but was too shy to ask. As she dragged him to the dance floor, he flipped me off.

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I have created a program to help you crack the back of your most persistent sticking points. It is called Force*21 and it has the potential to spring you to the next level in a mere 21 days.

Force*21 Is not a bunch of theory. It is not a bunch of rehashed techniques. It is the application of my newest technology to YOUR Game with me as a guide.

It will crack the back of your most persistent sticking points and spring you to the next level.

I want you to have my new technology.

I want you to get to this level, too.

>>> Click Here to Learn More About Captain Jack's FORCE21 Program <<<

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2. Lay Report: Seducing Two Women Back to Back SNLs and a 3some?
3. Lay Report: Dumpster Diving

This is the first guest “exclusive” article for my blog out of several I have planned. The Pickup Podcast guys have a great blog going and everyone should add it to their feed reader. Great stuff…

~ CJ ~

Cultivating High Social Value in a Venue by Jordon Harbinger (www.pickuppodcast.com)

Everyone knows that social value is key coming into a set. Guys work overtime trying to work the room and be seen with the finest women in the venue. Where most people fall short, however, is when it comes to cultivating and maintaining that social value in your favorite hotspot.

So let’s say you go to the same venue every week or even multiple times a week. Most guys come in every time with little or no social value. Thus, every time they approach, they’ve got to generate that value all over again. This is a lot of work. Fortunately, it’s not entirely necessary, and there are some sure-fire shortcuts which we’ll outline for you here.

What if you could walk into your favorite venue and stroll around like you own the place without first having to work the room at all? What if everyone treated you like the high-status VIP that you are? For one, it would make your sets open a lot easier, and help things run a bit smoother once you are there.

I have spent years working in clubs and bars and spent many more hanging out in them. I have also made it my business to know all the right people so that I can spend my time socializing instead of waiting in line outside or waiting for service at the bar. I do not like going to the club as a non-VIP, and have since vowed not to do so if it’s at all avoidable and I can do so without dropping my hard-earned cash.

Those of you that listen to my show (www.pickuppodcast.com) know I’m fond of saying that “pickup, [namely social proof and people’s first impressions of you,] begin when you walk into a room.” Whether people are consciously paying attention to what you are doing when you walk in or not, it will affect your social value.

Have you ever noticed how within just a few minutes of walking into a room, you can mentally check off where all the attractive women are? It’s almost like radar for cuties, and it is ingrained into our psychology to be able to locate attractive females. Women have a similar instinctual ability, only they gravitate to males with high social value. Ask any women to pick out the most eligible guys in the room and they know instantly. From the moment you walk in, people are watching you. It might not always be on a conscious level, but it’s still happening. Every moment that you look lost, disoriented, bored or lonely, your social value is dropping. Now, of course I’m being semi-dramatic here, but you get the idea.

The entire process of transforming a venue into ‘your house’ is way too lengthly for this article alone, but here are a bunch of tips to get you started:

Decide on a venue to make your own and stick to it. I’m not saying you have to only hang out there, but you should go there regularly and be comfortable with the venue and the employees.

Start learning people’s names immediately. When I started I actually made an excel spreadsheet and threw it in my phone. I had every doorman, server, bartender and manager in the city on that spreadsheet.

Shake people’s hands when you meet them. It does not matter if you already know them or this is your first time meeting them.

Speaking of which, greet doormen like you know them. Trust me, it’ll likely take them a while to remember you, but if you act like you know them and that they SHOULD remember you, they will fake it and it’ll stick much more quickly. I like to use a big handshake and half hug that I usually give my close buds.

Confidently walk around like you own the place. Not arrogant, but comfortable. Ask people if they’re having a good time and mean it. Make it your purpose to make sure that you and everyone around you is having fun.

Meet and befriend the bartenders and servers. This can be somewhat expedited by tipping extremely well the first time you order. I know this tip seems obvious as hell but I would be remiss if I did not mention it. Ask them about their night and genuinely listen to their responses. They are not there just to serve you, as they have lives too.

On that tip, meet and befriend anyone that matters: the management, promoters, hostesses and servers, doormen (of course), and even the chefs. You would be amazed how many times you can get hooked up from these people just because you’re in their good graces.

What does it look like when I roll into my favorite venue?

The bouncer knows who I am and greets me like I am his boy, because I am. He slaps my hand and greets me by name. My crew never gets carded or waits in line. I walk up to the bar and my “favorite” bartender, also my friend, greets me by name with a smile and handshake, taking my order first, regardless of how many have been waiting, or for how long. If we get there late and the kitchen is closed, I can still get food because I am friends with the chef. I rarely if ever pay for drinks, but I always tip. And, for some strange reason my gin & tonics are always stronger than those of others. Even the doormen tell me where the cuties are and whether the night’s been good. They watch my personal effects, look out for my friends, and, most importantly, have my back if someone gives me trouble. The manager always comes to my table to speak with me and my crew.

Likewise, when people at the venue know who you are, not only are you socially-proofed, but the women you are with feel comfortable. People always tend to trust people who are trusted by others. So this works in your favor to help people feel comfortable around the fun guy everyone knows. This is your house -make yourself at home!

Force21 -

Crack the Back of Your Most Persistent Sticking Points, Go to A Level Never Seen Before...

 

I have created a program to help you crack the back of your most persistent sticking points. It is called Force*21 and it has the potential to spring you to the next level in a mere 21 days.

Force*21 Is not a bunch of theory. It is not a bunch of rehashed techniques. It is the application of my newest technology to YOUR Game with me as a guide.

It will crack the back of your most persistent sticking points and spring you to the next level.

I want you to have my new technology.

I want you to get to this level, too.

>>> Click Here to Learn More About Captain Jack's FORCE21 Program <<<

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1. The Only DHV You Need
2. Opening and Social Proof versus “Player in the Game”
3. CJ Makes an Austrasian Cry