Player States of Existence and Nested Games
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Recall from “Game Dynamics and Player in the Game = Elegance” Game Dynamic 1: You and her must agree you are both Players.
So, I’m going to introduce “Player States of Existence” to you to help you improve Dynamic 1.
Before she sees you or is aware of your presence your state is “Non-Existence.” After she becomes aware of you and/or you open and the set progresses, she updates your State to one of the following:
- Potential Player of a Game I Want to Play
- Doubt (could be Doubt about Dynamic 2, 3, 4)
- Playing a Different Game
- Someone I Want to Play With
All of her communication is geared towards Clarifying the Dynamics and/or forwarding agreement on them. If you are in an Existence of Doubt on Dynamic 3 she may call a certain girl in the club who is dancing sexy a slut to see what you say about it. (Also remember that most of this is unconscious, we are wired to gain certainty about the Game we are playing and our states of existence in it.)
If you call the girl a slut as well then you’ve shed some light for her on Dynamic 3. You need to respond in a way that reaffirms what Game you are playing and that you VALUE that Game Goal.
Contrast these two responses:
1) “For real, her boyfriend needs to put her in check.”
2) “I like it when women express their sexuality so freely.”
In one simple exchange you’ve created entirely different scenarios.
Shit Tests?
What we used to call ‘Shit Tests’ aren’t ‘Shit Tests’ at all. They are attempts to Clarify. Simple as that. You’ve done something or broadcast something or she has flat out ASSUMED something about the Game and wants to get a response from you about it to Clarify.
In the writing of Field Reports (or, even better, audio recordings) you can notice when you’ve been in a Doubt Status in her mind. It is clear as day. The stuff she says or asks you is so obviously trying to Clarify that I now wonder how I missed it for so long.
When the Dynamics are Clarified and Agreed on sex is a matter of keeping them clear and getting her to a place where you can escalate physically to sex.
Almost all sets that blow up after things have been going well are because you’ve cast Doubt on one or more of the Dynamics.
I did it msyelf just yesterday. Super hot 19 year old asian waittress, disqualified her so much that Dynamic 1 got thrown out and she didn’t feel like she could play.
What’s the Strategy now? I have to go back there and Clarify on Dynamic 1 and work back through the rest of them.
Nested Games
I have the working Hypotheses that women go to bars/clubs to find attractive mates to have sex with. That hypotheses has served me well and it is one that I continue to work within…
For some people, the hardcore clubbies, sex occurs inside of another game. That Game is Faux Celebrity. Think of the super-hot club chick. Her primary Game is Faux Celebrity. Almost anyone who wants to gain Agreement on Dynamic 1 for the Sex Game has to be playing Faux Celebrity Game first. For them, Sex seems to be a Nested Game inside of it… I think that since Mystery didn’t have any awareness of Nested Games he took this to mean this is THE ONLY way to do it. This is where his Celebrity and Entourage games concepts come from (and hence DHVs.)
Since the problem with Nested Games stems from having to Clarify and Agree on the Game Dynamics TWICE (once for each Game) it appears more difficult.
People who have Sex as a Nested Game have larger Social Circles and/or serial LTRs or some other side effect. You see a lot of hot girls with Social Circles that have a lot of guys who passed on Dynamic 1 of the Outer Game and then failed on the Nested Game. Caught in the Friend Zone!
The Master Strategy is to cast DOUBT on the validity of the Outer Game and then BYPASS it to go straight to Clarifying on the Nested Game. If you can get Agreement on them then she will backwards rationalize why the Outer Game doesn’t matter or apply in this case.
She will HOOK MUCH HARDER because she has those intense feelings and it makes her feel like it must be more REAL.
For the next audio (or two) in the “Master Strategies” course I am going to be releasing all the current research information about Game Dynamics I have. ALL Master Strategies result in increasing your capability IN THE FIELD. It is Theory FOR Action.
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See Related Posts
- Game Dynamics and “Player in the Game” = Elegance [32.0704]
- Approaching Women Direct With The Game Dynamics [26.9942]
- Opening and Social Proof versus “Player in the Game” [24.3759]
- Make Game Easy by Clarifying on the Game Dynamics [24.2368]
- The Force Principle of Game Dynamics [22.8927]
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CJ you're killing it at the moment.
“I think that since Mystery didn’t have any awareness of Nested Games he took this to mean this is THE ONLY way to do it.”
This clarifies a lot.
This is quite an interesting set of posts. I enjoy your analysis and think it clarifies a lot. However, I think things are getting a little too analytical. I think when you are first progressing you need to analyze all the angles but at some point you have to let go. No system works 100% of the time in all situations. I believe MM gave us some great insight into the overall workings of the Game and we have now further refined it. There are governing principles/behaviours that work (e.g., confidence). If you break that down into you what you do and how you do it (body language, voice, etc…) it is still just boils down to confidence.
This is not meant to be negative. I think there is something to be said about keeping things simple. Sometimes you don't get the girl and she is not attracted to you. Sure you may have caught her in a weird moment but thats life.
If you have the fundamentals down (execute the core basics well) then you should be getting positive results.
Have always been a fan CJ – just wanted to put in my 2 1/2 cents.
I agree with your statement that no system works 100% of the time in all situations. But, what we have here is something that can improve a GREAT DEAL.
Knowing WHY sets that were *ON* suddenly and, before now, inexplicably unravel gives us a great leap forward in repairing our Game Plan to have more of these sets end up as lays.
All of the sudden Sticking Point Analysis becomes much, much easier.
We now KNOW WHY Sexual Framing works so well.
Much like Sexual Framing yielded a big boost for SNLs and easier Day2s I expect this stuff to really boost lay numbers by giving us a way to fix mixed communication signals we send that confuse the girls and cause them to bail.
CJ
Jesus man…. Either you are a genius or a lunatic (or both). Definitely awesome to have a different way of looking at things. The results yielded by quickly and subtlety letting her know you want to fuck her (and that you'll in fact appreciate that) can't be explained by MM.
This concept is very interesting.
Just curious, did that new Lady Gaga song “Lovegame” have anything to do with expounding your new theories? You may find this question laughable or even insulting but I'm totally serious! I was coincidentally listening to the song at the same time reading your blog and noticed the parallels. Come on CJ you don't gotta lie to kick it!
Just curious, did that new Lady Gaga song “Lovegame” have anything to do with expounding your new theories? You may find this question laughable or even insulting but I'm totally serious! I was coincidentally listening to the song at the same time reading your blog and noticed the parallels. Come on CJ you don't gotta lie to kick it!
“The Master Strategy is to cast DOUBT on the validity of the Outer Game and then BYPASS it to go straight to Clarifying on the Nested Game. If you can get Agreement on them then she will backwards rationalize why the Outer Game doesn’t matter or apply in this case.”
Would you say this is what you're doing when you direct approach a girl within a group set without speaking to her friends first, or would you draw a distinction there?
Wasn't what I had in mind but I think it is worth testing.
I think it would be important if she shows any interest still after 2-3 minutes to get her to intro you to her friends all around, then go back to talking to her… I'd then use some of the Group Innoculation stuff I use (I think you can find it in “FR: College Girls!”) and a few of my old LRs.
I would also frame future cockblocks by friends as Jealousy and how something about loving to go out with friends but I see them and know them and hang with them a lot so I don't mind getting a little distracted if a special opportunity comes along and REAL friends would get that.
CJ
Are these Game Dynamics gonna be a part of your eCoaching Bootcamp?
Not the current one… The only way to get info on the Game Dynamics is via the Master Strategies Monthly program:
http://www.betheseducer.com/get-trained/#msm
“The Master Strategy is to cast DOUBT on the validity of the Outer Game and then BYPASS it to go straight to Clarifying on the Nested Game. If you can get Agreement on them then she will backwards rationalize why the Outer Game doesn’t matter or apply in this case.”
MONEY!!! Just read all the new posts and the realisation of what can be achieved with all this new information is just starting to hit home.
The Master Strategy is to cast DOUBT on the validity of the Outer Game and then BYPASS it to go straight to Clarifying on the Nested Game. If you can get Agreement on them then she will backwards rationalize why the Outer Game doesn’t matter or apply in this case.
Can someone explain this in simpler terms… I'm lost
Thanks. I'm going to just try to “pass” the 4 dynamics tonight… if I can remember them while drinking!
Everything in this world sure do have its limitations but we can do some ways to make it better, well you had analyze the details very well and carefully had explained all the things we need to know about it
Everything in this world sure do have its limitations but we can do some ways to make it better, well you had analyze the details very well and carefully had explained all the things we need to know about it