Comments on: Low Investment Openers: A First Step to Making Your Seductions Mutual http://www.betheseducer.com/2007/03/low-investment-openers-a-first-step-to-making-your-seductions-mutual/ The Leader in Sexual Framing and Same Night Lays... And, How to Become Your Own Pick Up Guru! Fri, 30 Jul 2010 21:47:20 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.9.1 hourly 1 By: Casanova Crew Forums - The Official Los Angeles Orange County Lair • View topic - FR: 11/8/08 - Hi Are You DTF? http://www.betheseducer.com/2007/03/low-investment-openers-a-first-step-to-making-your-seductions-mutual/comment-page-1/#comment-966 Casanova Crew Forums - The Official Los Angeles Orange County Lair • View topic - FR: 11/8/08 - Hi Are You DTF? Sun, 09 Nov 2008 20:44:10 +0000 http://www.betheseducer.com/2007/03/low-investment-openers-a-first-step-to-making-your-seductions-mutual/#comment-966 <!--%kramer-ref-pre%-->[...] is it going?", "Hi" or "You guys look like fun". It's the same idea of Captain Jack's LIO (Low Investment Opener). You use the absolute minimum and see how far you can get with your [...]<!--%kramer-ref-post%--> Kramer auto Pingback[...] is it going?", "Hi" or "You guys look like fun". It’s the same idea of Captain Jack’s LIO (Low Investment Opener). You use the absolute minimum and see how far you can get with your [...]

]]> By: Anonymous http://www.betheseducer.com/2007/03/low-investment-openers-a-first-step-to-making-your-seductions-mutual/comment-page-1/#comment-89 Anonymous Sat, 10 Mar 2007 12:56:00 +0000 http://www.betheseducer.com/2007/03/low-investment-openers-a-first-step-to-making-your-seductions-mutual/#comment-89 definitely something every pua has to experience on his way to mastery/self-fulfillment.<br/>but there's a further point you did not come across: you open in an afc kind of way while holding an congruent alpha frame! basically, that's it! you can almost say anything. like TD did years ago, when he opened with "i like salad!"<br/><br/>the low-energy stuff is quite interesting because higher energy (too early) can be misinterpeted as qualifying yourself. great way of not being needy.<br/><br/>and is that rebuffing of the obstacle field-tested? i can't picture it right now having mystery in my ears "never split a 2set". definitely something every pua has to experience on his way to mastery/self-fulfillment.
but there’s a further point you did not come across: you open in an afc kind of way while holding an congruent alpha frame! basically, that’s it! you can almost say anything. like TD did years ago, when he opened with “i like salad!”

the low-energy stuff is quite interesting because higher energy (too early) can be misinterpeted as qualifying yourself. great way of not being needy.

and is that rebuffing of the obstacle field-tested? i can’t picture it right now having mystery in my ears “never split a 2set”.

]]> By: MunichHawk aka Hawk http://www.betheseducer.com/2007/03/low-investment-openers-a-first-step-to-making-your-seductions-mutual/comment-page-1/#comment-88 MunichHawk aka Hawk Sat, 10 Mar 2007 08:11:00 +0000 http://www.betheseducer.com/2007/03/low-investment-openers-a-first-step-to-making-your-seductions-mutual/#comment-88 Reminds me a little about Tyler Durdens newer stuff he talkes about in his Foundations programm.<br/>I nearly always use Natural or situational openers followed by an opinion openers. Reminds me a little about Tyler Durdens newer stuff he talkes about in his Foundations programm.
I nearly always use Natural or situational openers followed by an opinion openers.

]]> By: DMoney http://www.betheseducer.com/2007/03/low-investment-openers-a-first-step-to-making-your-seductions-mutual/comment-page-1/#comment-86 DMoney Fri, 09 Mar 2007 19:17:00 +0000 http://www.betheseducer.com/2007/03/low-investment-openers-a-first-step-to-making-your-seductions-mutual/#comment-86 I like this. Seems like more "natural" game. Can you picture Cary Grant or James Dean using an opinion opener? No. It would be too much. <br/><br/>They would use something more like a knowing smile and a somewhat disinterested "Hi there." It's almost as if attraction is assumed. You know you're hot, she wants you, and you may or may not have time for her.<br/><br/>I do think it is more advanced material for guys that have their shit together and know it.<br/><br/>Because of this, this is also good for guys who present a really strong frame. I am a police officer, body builder, and have a shaved head. I naturally have an authoritative/confident (some would say cocky) presence and have been known to "overpower" chicks (especially LSE girls) without even trying to by naturally setting a very strong frame/reality.<br/><br/>Condensed LR using something similar:<br/>Scene: Margaritaville Bar, Las Vegas, 6 p.m., Feb. 2006. HB9 by herself.<br/>Me: Hi, how are you?<br/>HB9: Good, how are you?<br/>Me: (Sipping drink, looking at menu.)Fabulous<br/>HB9: Blah Blah Blah<br/>Me: I'm sorry, what? Blah Blah-comfort building.<br/>HB9: I find your indifference very sexy. (Yes she said "indifference."<br/>Me: Is that right?<br/>HB9: Yeah, but at some point a girl needs to know if you're interested. (Almost overdid it.)<br/>Me: Just trying to finish my cocktail. Let's get the hell out of here.<br/>Me: Fluff talk while hand-holding/leading her to my room.<br/><br/>A true mutual seduction with some cat/string and prizing. Good for a quieter bar, minimal obstacles and a dude with a strong frame where all the attraction game would be overwhelming. I like this. Seems like more “natural” game. Can you picture Cary Grant or James Dean using an opinion opener? No. It would be too much.

They would use something more like a knowing smile and a somewhat disinterested “Hi there.” It’s almost as if attraction is assumed. You know you’re hot, she wants you, and you may or may not have time for her.

I do think it is more advanced material for guys that have their shit together and know it.

Because of this, this is also good for guys who present a really strong frame. I am a police officer, body builder, and have a shaved head. I naturally have an authoritative/confident (some would say cocky) presence and have been known to “overpower” chicks (especially LSE girls) without even trying to by naturally setting a very strong frame/reality.

Condensed LR using something similar:
Scene: Margaritaville Bar, Las Vegas, 6 p.m., Feb. 2006. HB9 by herself.
Me: Hi, how are you?
HB9: Good, how are you?
Me: (Sipping drink, looking at menu.)Fabulous
HB9: Blah Blah Blah
Me: I’m sorry, what? Blah Blah-comfort building.
HB9: I find your indifference very sexy. (Yes she said “indifference.”
Me: Is that right?
HB9: Yeah, but at some point a girl needs to know if you’re interested. (Almost overdid it.)
Me: Just trying to finish my cocktail. Let’s get the hell out of here.
Me: Fluff talk while hand-holding/leading her to my room.

A true mutual seduction with some cat/string and prizing. Good for a quieter bar, minimal obstacles and a dude with a strong frame where all the attraction game would be overwhelming.

]]> By: Anonymous http://www.betheseducer.com/2007/03/low-investment-openers-a-first-step-to-making-your-seductions-mutual/comment-page-1/#comment-85 Anonymous Fri, 09 Mar 2007 17:39:00 +0000 http://www.betheseducer.com/2007/03/low-investment-openers-a-first-step-to-making-your-seductions-mutual/#comment-85 Cheers! is another good one<br/><br/>Eye Contact ---><br/>Cheers!<br/>Lean Back against something (KEY)<br/>What at are you celebrating tonight?<br/>Tease her response (A2)<br/>Tell Story about what you are celebrating<br/><br/>The only thing I don't like about this is using a high-impact, ballsy opener can take care of A1 & 2 in one shot and screen out the Frumpy girls<br/><br/>but your way does save a lot of energy !!!<br/><br/>I also agree people are using WAY too much attract material<br/><br/>I think the wording confuses them<br/><br/>ATTRACTION = this girl needs to be madly in love with me <br/><br/>When it's really just INTEREST (getting IOI's - if not forcing them ---> via CTs)...which is very easy to create. <br/><br/>My theory is...<br/><br/>Creating Interest = so EASY A CAVEMAN COULD DO IT !!!<br/><br/>In fact, I think A2 should be called "generating Interest" not Attraction<br/><br/>Then using that interest to get her more invested etc. etc blah blah......Yawn...<br/><br/>- 6YC Cheers! is another good one

Eye Contact —>
Cheers!
Lean Back against something (KEY)
What at are you celebrating tonight?
Tease her response (A2)
Tell Story about what you are celebrating

The only thing I don’t like about this is using a high-impact, ballsy opener can take care of A1 & 2 in one shot and screen out the Frumpy girls

but your way does save a lot of energy !!!

I also agree people are using WAY too much attract material

I think the wording confuses them

ATTRACTION = this girl needs to be madly in love with me

When it’s really just INTEREST (getting IOI’s – if not forcing them —> via CTs)…which is very easy to create.

My theory is…

Creating Interest = so EASY A CAVEMAN COULD DO IT !!!

In fact, I think A2 should be called “generating Interest” not Attraction

Then using that interest to get her more invested etc. etc blah blah……Yawn…

- 6YC

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