Low Investment Openers: A First Step to Making Your Seductions Mutual
After you’ve spent a few months using Opinion Openers or OMG Openers try this…
Lately I’ve been doing very low volume, low energy approaches. In fact, lately I haven’t even been opening groups.
After thinking about how my style has morphed in the last 6 months I’ve noticed that a LOT of my openers are very simple, mundane and directed at the Target.
I noticed that my goal has been to open the girl with the lowest investment possible and then use my calibration skills to keep the conversation escalating towards sex.
The best openings have the feeling of being light touches rather than bold strokes. If I can make it seem like we opened each other, all the better.
The Austrasian looked at me and smiled, I smiled back and slowed down as we were passing each other. She slowed down so I opened her. We were chatting away immediately.
I also realized that my “Clown Grin” that I stumbled on a LONG time ago is a LIO.
The very last night I was in Australia I opened a cute Hawaiian chick by tapping on her shoulder with “Were you here for Karaoke the other night?”
By 1:30 am we were “married” and she invited me to “watch tv at the hotel” with her later. (I laughed because her bounce statement sucked but I guess being a female bouncing is simple for her.)
The proponents of “Short Sets” use LIO’s and now many of the group dynamics practitioners use “Pre-Openers.”
So, use a simple Low Investment Opener and guage her attitude/interest to being opened. Then, stack forward.
Will it work with a “protection shield?” Probably not. But, here’s the thing. It’s not a real blow out. If she is snotty or whatever it’s real easy to walk off, open someone else and there are MORE girls in the venue it will work with than not so I say use it on them and build social proof and reopen later.
What about the obstacles? I’ve found that if you can get a girl attracted and into comfort fairly quickly that the Target will rebuff (man, I’ve been waiting to use that word for awhile – rebuff) the obstacles by giving them subtle cues to back off.
MOST of you guys are (necessarily) overdoing attraction and overselling yourselves. After you can get attraction consistently throttle back and find out how LITTLE attraction you can get before moving to next phase.
At each phase you want to use the MINIMUM necessary to use the next step. This gives the interaction a feeling of mutual seduction.
What (exactly) are Low Investment Openers? Here are a few of my favorites:
* The Clown Grin * If she smiles back or slows down or stops ask “You having a good night?”
* “You having a good night?”
* “Were you here on xyz night?” – Then, I’ll mention something about that night I found unique/unusual/interesting.
* “How’s it going?”
So, basically EVERYTHING we told you NOT to use when you first started out. Now, if you’ve been consistently sarging for 4-5 months then throttle back, give this a shot and make your seductions seem mutual.
~ Captain Jack ~
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Cheers! is another good one
Eye Contact —>
Cheers!
Lean Back against something (KEY)
What at are you celebrating tonight?
Tease her response (A2)
Tell Story about what you are celebrating
The only thing I don’t like about this is using a high-impact, ballsy opener can take care of A1 & 2 in one shot and screen out the Frumpy girls
but your way does save a lot of energy !!!
I also agree people are using WAY too much attract material
I think the wording confuses them
ATTRACTION = this girl needs to be madly in love with me
When it’s really just INTEREST (getting IOI’s – if not forcing them —> via CTs)…which is very easy to create.
My theory is…
Creating Interest = so EASY A CAVEMAN COULD DO IT !!!
In fact, I think A2 should be called “generating Interest” not Attraction
Then using that interest to get her more invested etc. etc blah blah……Yawn…
- 6YC
I like this. Seems like more “natural” game. Can you picture Cary Grant or James Dean using an opinion opener? No. It would be too much.
They would use something more like a knowing smile and a somewhat disinterested “Hi there.” It’s almost as if attraction is assumed. You know you’re hot, she wants you, and you may or may not have time for her.
I do think it is more advanced material for guys that have their shit together and know it.
Because of this, this is also good for guys who present a really strong frame. I am a police officer, body builder, and have a shaved head. I naturally have an authoritative/confident (some would say cocky) presence and have been known to “overpower” chicks (especially LSE girls) without even trying to by naturally setting a very strong frame/reality.
Condensed LR using something similar:
Scene: Margaritaville Bar, Las Vegas, 6 p.m., Feb. 2006. HB9 by herself.
Me: Hi, how are you?
HB9: Good, how are you?
Me: (Sipping drink, looking at menu.)Fabulous
HB9: Blah Blah Blah
Me: I’m sorry, what? Blah Blah-comfort building.
HB9: I find your indifference very sexy. (Yes she said “indifference.”
Me: Is that right?
HB9: Yeah, but at some point a girl needs to know if you’re interested. (Almost overdid it.)
Me: Just trying to finish my cocktail. Let’s get the hell out of here.
Me: Fluff talk while hand-holding/leading her to my room.
A true mutual seduction with some cat/string and prizing. Good for a quieter bar, minimal obstacles and a dude with a strong frame where all the attraction game would be overwhelming.
Reminds me a little about Tyler Durdens newer stuff he talkes about in his Foundations programm.
I nearly always use Natural or situational openers followed by an opinion openers.
definitely something every pua has to experience on his way to mastery/self-fulfillment.
but there’s a further point you did not come across: you open in an afc kind of way while holding an congruent alpha frame! basically, that’s it! you can almost say anything. like TD did years ago, when he opened with “i like salad!”
the low-energy stuff is quite interesting because higher energy (too early) can be misinterpeted as qualifying yourself. great way of not being needy.
and is that rebuffing of the obstacle field-tested? i can’t picture it right now having mystery in my ears “never split a 2set”.